The JWs are starting a study of the book of Daniel. Since I know nothing about it, are there any biased teachings I need to be aware of?

There is one JW that comes to my door frequently. I'm trying really hard to say get lost in a nice way. Am I getting sucked in more if I go to this book study?

Hi alegre welcome to the forum and thanks for posting. Great to have you with us.

alegre I have one word for you. RUN!

OK I lied I do have more than one word.

alegre in order to best understand God's word the Bible one should study God's word the Bible, not books written by men about the Bible. Get it straight for the source for yourself. If you think you have problems breaking it off with this witness now wait till you go to a meeting or two, matters will become much worse.


Listen to the folks on this forum alegre we have been there and left for very good reasons.

BTW Don't start with the book of Daniel start with the book of John. John is shallow enough for a baby to wade in and deep enough for an elephant to drown.

alegre I have not really kept up with what the Watchtower is currently prophesying concerning the scriptures in the book of Daniel. The fact that they have a new book on Daniel means they have changed their teachings again and I have not seen the new book. It is very hard to keep up with the changes when you are not in it anymore, it was hard enough when I was in. The last I remember they prophesied that the king of the north and the king of the south in Daniel chapter 11 were the USA and Russia. They prophesied that Russia would prevail over the USA. OOPS!!!! I doubt that they teach that any more and probably part of the reason they have a new book on Daniel. I am sure what ever prophecies they have made up this time concerning the book of Daniel are just as false as the old ones.

RUN alegre RUN

Hi there. Towerwatch's advice is on the Mark, alegre. If you have been asking them to leave or stay away with little success, I would definitely not proceed with this study. A new one on Daniel or otherwise. One thing I learned among others in 29 years of Watchtower is they have one purpose in coming to your door with a so called 'bible' study. It is to indoctrinate you with their dotrine to get you to become one of them. Try this, ask them to have study in the book of Daniel using just the Bible... after all its supposed to be a BIBLE study right? They won't go for it... but remember it is your home, therefore you have the right to allow what is studied there. As they will try as they might to convince you that their "book" is needed, it will be another confirmation that is really the publication of the Watchtower you would be studying and not the True definiton in the bible, only the distorted Watchtower version of it.

My advice is like Cals, get out now, run, and don't ever let them have an inch where your spirituality is concerned. I rememebr giving a talk one time in Kingdom Hall about the Russia/USA thing Cal mentiioned above, now that is not even believed so much anymore. Ask themif what they study with you regarding Daniel might be not the thruth down the road?

Time to say goodby e to them for good.

Blesisngs;

I remember that teaching also! I was actually wondering about it the other day, since I'm sure that watching the Berlin wall fall and communism end in Russia must have burst their bubble. Then again, it was probably that we read the information wrong, or jumped to conclusions when they actually didn't decifer the prophesy incorrectly. It is never the Society's fault if things don't work out the way they say; it is the fault of the rank & file Witness who is so eager for Armageddon to come and wipe out all of humanity that they read into the literature what really isn't there.

Blessings,

Mrs. R

Good point Mrs R well said! I forgot that we were always told it was our fault when their prophecies did not come true.

I found this article on the Internet, for those that are interested in the WTS study on the book of Daniel:

http://www.reachouttrust.org/articles/jw/jwdaniel.htm

One of the quotes from the book "Pay Attention to Daniel's Prophesy" is as follows, on pages 280/281:

With the disbanding of the Soviet Union in 1991, the king of the north suffered a serious setback. Who will be this king when Daniel 11:44-45 is fulfilled? Will he be identified with one of the countries that were part of the former Soviet Union? Or will he change identity completely, as he has done a number of times before… Only time will provide answers to these questions.

So now that there is no Soviet Union, they have had to admit they have no clue who the king of the north is. But do they admit they were wrong? No, never. Instead they indicate the king of the north was indeed the Soviet Union who "suffered a serious setback". I'm sorry, is that Scriptural? Take a look at the article, it has some very good points.

God bless,

Mrs. R

I remember from years ago........I think it was the "YOUR WILL BE DONE" book. The one with the lime green cover. ( I wish I would have saved some of the older publications for research)

A lot of the book was about the King Of The North and The King Of The South, and how over the centuries, with the changing of world powers, that both kings also changed. (sounds a little like the WT.....always changing)

But they were quite convicted in the 1980's that it was the Soviet Union and the Democratic block of nations. That all changed in 1990, didn't it? I think one of the reasons the Soviet Union was thought to be the King Of The North was Daniel 11:38 where it says......"But to the god of fortresses, in his position he will give glory; ..................etc. etc. The Soviet Union was definitely a power who made many fortresses (military machinery) for itself. But it is all over now. Could the SU every revive? Who knows?

And from Daniel 11:40 through 43 it talks about the pushing and shoving between the two and the K of the North ruling over the hidden treasures of the earth in verse 43. There was once a WT article that stated that one of the hidden treasures could be oil. That is very understandable! But who really rules oil? My opinion is the Muslim world that is controlling oil. So my point is...........could the K of the North have changed to mean the combined forces of the Arab world?

These are just my thoughts on the matter and I no longer give it much thought now that I have Christ in my life. No matter what happens on the world scene, I as most other Christians, know that whatever happens, we will be saved.

I still like to refer to 1 Timothy 1:3-7 NIV and now apply to the WT itself.

"As I urged you when I went into Macedonia, stay there in Ephesus so that you may command certain men not to teach false doctrines any longer nor to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies. These promote controversy rather than God's work--which is by faith. The goal of this command is love, which comes from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith. Some have wondered away from these and turned to meaningless talk. They want to be teachers of the law, but they do not know what they are talking about or what they so confidently affirm."

2 Peter 2:19 NWT "While they are promising them freedom, they themselves are existing as slaves of corruption. For whoever is overcome by another is enslaved by this one."

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