You know what you guys... you GREAT group of folks... and just so dawg-gone resourceful!!! :-D
I printed out all the above scriptures so I could reference it in the bible. Oh that is another thing... which bible do you all read from, know one better say King James Version... that is tough ha ha The New World Translation had me so spoiled easy to understand... I have a bible that I got from the PX post exchange (military mall) and I don't know the version it is but it contains modern language...
Also and I Cal I hope you don't mind me posting this on here. But I asked a friend of mine about the Trinity belief and what he had to share with me was so intriguing... This guy studied Theology... I had all his credentials but I lost it in my inbox.. but he is pretty legit on his knowledge
Here it is below:
You are SO right!!! The Trinity is indeed beyond our comprehension. I mean, we grow up being taught in kindergarten and grade school that one means one and three means three, and one does not equal three. Not in any number system I know of!!
There have been lots of analogies proposed to help us grasp what this TRI-UNITY (where Trinity comes from) means, but each analogy is limited: it may help us understand one aspect of the Trinity, but it fails to perfectly illustrate every facet of the Trinity. Still, perhaps thinking about some analogies AND their limitations/imperfections can help us begin to see something of what this Triune God is all about.
Some people like the analogy of one man being a father, a son, and a brother or friend. He is one person, but he relates to others in terms of those relationships. While this helps us picture a God who is one Person and relates to others in different ways, it fails to adequately convey how the three are truly separate and one at the same time.
Others like the analogy of what it means to be human: we are composed of a body, a mind, and a soul. We can never divide or lose one of the three and still be truly human, so each is separate yet connected in a vital way. Still, this picture fails to show adequately how God the Son (Jesus) could be separate and obedient to the God the Father, while filled with God the Spirit who empowered Jesus then and now empowers His followers.
Comedian Mike Warnke used to laughingly say the Trinity is like a good homemade cherry pie (as opposed to one of the store-bought ones that have that stiff gel inside). He said you can cut it into three separate slices of pie, which anyone can see and count, yet it’s still one pie and inside the sliced top and bottom crusts, the yummy filling is all one and undivided. I don’t know if that one helps, but I will always remember it fondly. Anyone got some ice cream or Cool Whip?
So yes, faith plays a big part in our acceptance of the doctrine of the Trinity. In the Bible we see God relating to people and the world as God the Father, God the Son, and as God the Spirit, each one fully in the unit/unity we call God, yet each one relating to people in certain roles which do not overlap and seem to exist separately from each other. We "see" Yahweh God the Father and His great salvation in and through the Son of God, the Lord Jesus Christ, then "experience" their reality by faith, through the indwelling presence of His Holy Spirit.
I ran across this quote today and I thought it was enlightening:
I am not sure we could ever really understand how the "persons" and the "essence/unit" are related--especially in GOD! We don't understand these things in HUMANS, much less God. But then again, we probably don't have to.
And, to be QUITE FRANK, I would expect a "God" to be a bit more complex than everything He created! I would expect SOME overlap, perhaps, say in the notion of 'personality' but for me to say that God COULD NOT have three interior Persons would be VERY intellectually presumptuous (especially for a mortal creature of only 5'10"!) To say that a God who could speak a universe into existence HAS TO BE no more complex in His nature that humans are would be GROUNDLESS speculation of the most ludicrous sort!
I guess it’s like I have told my classes in the past: I have a pretty smart cat named Sam. Sam knows a lot already and I can try to teach him more, like don’t scratch the furniture, don’t be mean to the dog. But I will probably never be able to teach Sam any algebra, calculus, or trigonometry. It’s not that those things don’t exist, but that it’s just beyond Sam’s ability to comprehend those things. In the same way, while we can understand lots of things about ourselves and the world in which we live, we will never be able to perfectly understand the one God who reveals Himself in three Persons, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
I hope this little discussion helps. I know it made me go back and think harder about the Trinity. Now my head hurts a little, so I’m going to do some mindless filing.
Looking forward to your reply,